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How an amp would oscillate if it's phase margin blew 0
Sep 01st, 2013, 9:16am
 
Hi ,everybody

If PM of an amp below 0,it will oscillate nearby Vref or from 0 to VDD or something else?
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Re: How an amp would oscillate if it's phase margin blew 0
Reply #1 - Sep 1st, 2013, 9:24am
 
Hello,
Very difficult to ans, in fact phase margin is based on  small signal metric. But once if starts oscillating there is it would leave small signal regime and rest i can't predict, i guess it reaches very near to vdd and vss.

One more thing, according to linear system theory If Phase margin is -ve then pole will be in RH plane hence response would go in exponential increasing amplitude sinusoidal way and mostly it will touch rails and gain will drop down.

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Reply #2 - Sep 2nd, 2013, 9:33am
 
Thank you ,I see
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Reply #3 - Sep 5th, 2013, 10:15am
 
hello raj can you please elaborate the reason of the negative margin
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i always find it hard to understand?
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Reply #4 - Sep 5th, 2013, 11:01am
 
Imagine you have system with 3 poles and high gain, then 3 poles contribute 270 deg, but to be in -ve feedback region you can't have more than 180 hence -90 is the net margin.read razaavi text book.
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Reply #5 - Oct 1st, 2013, 9:32am
 
xianweng wrote on Sep 1st, 2013, 9:16am:
Hi ,everybody

If PM of an amp below 0,it will oscillate nearby Vref or from 0 to VDD or something else?
best regards


When the PM is negative, there will be a lower frequency fo that exhibits a PM=0 deg.
This is the frequency where oscillations might occur. However, it depends on the loop gain magnitude at this frequency if you can observe oscillations or some other kind of instability.
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