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Ring-Osc based VCO pnoise varing with tstab. (Read 3993 times)
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Ring-Osc based VCO pnoise varing with tstab.
Jan 27th, 2015, 6:52pm
 
Hello,

I have a ring-osc based VCO which is biased with a heavily filtered current mirror(coarse control).
The issue is the modulated(PM) phase-noise varies a lot with tstab value chosen. I'm convinced this
is happening due to presence of low frequency poles in the circuit, which causes huge settling time
for various nodes. Is there a way around this problem, so that I can get reliable/repeatable results
without using a large tstab.

Thanks in advance.

-AS
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Re: Ring-Osc based VCO pnoise varing with tstab.
Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2015, 5:35pm
 
AS,

1) Have you run a transient and plotted frequency versus time
   to verify that there is as long settling time?
2) How are calculating the initial conditions?

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Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2015, 12:05pm
 
Hi Sheldon,

Thanks for your reply.
Yes, there is a long settling time in the biasing circuit for various current and voltages to settle down
as I have a sub-KHz pole in the system to filter out a dominant noise source. Are you suggesting
taking .ic from a DC run for my PSS?

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AS
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Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2015, 9:18pm
 
AS,

 No, I was referring to the initial conditions option in the oscillator
analysis section. It was intended to speed up convergence for high
Q oscillators, for example, crystal oscillators. Have you considered
using harmonic balance analysis. Tested both analyses for a ring
oscillator and the results matched. Used a a lot of tones for HB
analysis, ~100 tones, that may be more than you will need.

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