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about spectre Pnoise nalysis~
Apr 21st, 2006, 8:32pm
 
Hi~
I simulate noise of a fully differential OPA switch cap structure using spectre  Pnoise .
I have some problems
First i use PSS and Pnoise analysis , then i want to see input referred noise , and it is impractical small , just about 20nV/Hz (better than IEEE papers so imust some where wrong.......)
my clock  2MHz so i set PSS maxacfreq=240M and Pnoise max sideband =100 , i think it is enough.
i had read  Simulating switched-capacitor filters with SpectreRF , so i think other settlings is correct.
input reffered noise = (output noise)/(Transfer function)  is right? i see output noise , input noise,transfer function of Pnoise i think the former statement is right.
and transfer fuction of Pnoise is the same as PAC analysis.
So where i get wrong? How to measure right input referred noise?

Second i also using chopper to eliminate 1/f noise(chopper clock is 1MHz).
The same simulation step like above.
But the ttransfer function is wrong , it very small (minus dB)
So the input refered noise is larger than output noise.
My circuit is correct.
could some body give me some suggestions about it ~~~
thanks~~
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Reply #1 - Apr 23rd, 2006, 9:35am
 
What sideband are you observing. For a chopper it should be sideband 0.

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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2008, 2:45am
 
Dear Ken, could you please explain why for a chopper, we should observe sideband 0? Thanks!
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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2008, 5:59pm
 
There is no frequency translation. The input and output are at the same frequency.

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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2008, 7:06pm
 
Hi,

20nV/sqrt(Hz) does not sound to me like ridicously small. State of the art chopper amplifiers show about 8nv/sqrt(Hz).
The relationship between input and ouput noise is (for a linear system)
So(f)=|H(f)|^2*Si(f)

where Si and So are the power spectral densities for both input and output noise respectively.


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