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Reply #30 - Oct 01st, 2011, 2:12am
 
hello buddypoor,
yes you are correct, but here PM and gain margin doesn't look good, infact stability margin (means how close your nyquist plot to (-1,0) point) would give better result.

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Reply #31 - Oct 1st, 2011, 2:27am
 
Yes, I agree. I think, you are referring to the so called "vector margin" or "stability radius".
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Reply #32 - Oct 1st, 2011, 5:32am
 
Hi RAJ,

here is an additional information - perhaps it is new for you:

The mentioned vector margin (min. distance between T(s) and "1" in the Nyquist plane) can be easily found:

Display 1/abs(1-T(s)) and find the maximum of this curve.
The inverese of this maximum gives this stability measure.
In your example: margin app 1/3.85 which is rather poor.
(T(s) is the real loop gain - including sign inversion at the summing node).
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Re: uncompensated opamp - frequency of oscillation
Reply #33 - Oct 1st, 2011, 5:54am
 
Hi Raja, buddypoor

Thanks for the information. So i should use the bode only for all pole system and nyquist for systems with zero's.

i guess i need to study more about nyquist plots as I am not very comfortable with them.

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Reply #34 - Oct 1st, 2011, 7:07am
 
hello rajkumar,
yes, for all pole systems (or monotonic mag and phase responce) you can apply bode with out any issue. You can refer this book for all the details "Feedback Systems: An Introduction for Scientists and Engineers ".

@buddypoor: do you know any simulator which can plot Nyquist plot, i know LTspice can.

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Reply #35 - Oct 1st, 2011, 8:25am
 

@buddypoor: do you know any simulator which can plot Nyquist plot, i know LTspice can.


In most cases I work with PSPice - and, of course, it can display the Nyquist curve. Microcap and Simetrix as well.
I don`t like LTSpice to much because - for my opinion - it is not very convenient. I cannot play with parts and expressions and displays like PSPice allows.
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