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single-ended to fully differential conversion, AD8476.
Aug 10th, 2013, 8:56am
 
Hi,

   I want to design a single-ended to differential converter with resistive feedback and fully differential Opamp (here I am not interested in the CG-CS noise cancel or CS-CS noise cancel architecture).

   I find AD8476 from ADI company could achieve the single-ended to differential conversion very well. Is anybody know what the main function of AD8476? Is it a very good fully differential Opamp, or it is not just an Opamp but with some other complex functions?

   Thank you.
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Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2013, 2:29am
 
Hi,

   Maybe I can ask the question in another way, is it possible to converter the singled-ended input signal to differential output signals from the architecture shown below?
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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2013, 2:59am
 
I think it is possible to use this architecture to get the single-ended to differential conversion. But how to make it as idea as possible? Like decreasing the distortion?

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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2013, 7:59am
 
Hi,


If you treat the single-ended input as a common-mode + differential signal, then you just want to reject the common-mode part. So i guess you want to make sure the amplifier has very good common-mode rejection.

Also, you should check the common-mode output impedance. If it is high compared to those resistor values, then the effectiveness might depend on the loading to the op-amp.


just my thoughts...
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Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2013, 1:54am
 
aaron_do wrote on Aug 12th, 2013, 7:59am:
Hi,


If you treat the single-ended input as a common-mode + differential signal, then you just want to reject the common-mode part. So i guess you want to make sure the amplifier has very good common-mode rejection.

Also, you should check the common-mode output impedance. If it is high compared to those resistor values, then the effectiveness might depend on the loading to the op-amp.


just my thoughts...
Aaron


Thank you very much Aaron,

Cancel the common mode voltage is one side, other side is I really want to get the differential output. Because when I see the document of AD8476, they really show a measured figure, both negative and positive outputs could output the symmetric signals. It looks very nice. But still thank you for the comments on common mode rejection.

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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2013, 7:01pm
 
Hi Jacki,


I'm not sure if you understood my meaning. If you cancel the common-mode signal, all you will have left is a differential-mode signal. i.e. you will get perfect single-ended to differential conversion. That's in an ideal world however.

I had a look at the datasheet, and to me its not obvious what kind of common-mode cancellation you will get. Maybe somebody else can shed some light. If I had to guess, I would say that there are 2 factors you need to take into account.

1. The common-mode gain.
For the common-mode gain, I think it is a resistive divider between output impedance of the device, and (RFP + RFG). So at 1 MHz it would be 20/20020 = -60 dB.

2. The output balance error.
At 1 MHz its -40 dB. I assume that it means that if you provide a perfect differential signal, how much is converted to common-mode at the output.

In this case, -40 dB is much worse than -60 dB, so you can just look at the output balance error. Remember that it is frequency dependent.


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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2013, 9:15pm
 
Aaron,

 If you read the product description or the app note most of your
questions will be answered.

http://www.analog.com/en/specialty-amplifiers/differential-amplifiers/ad8476/pro...

In answer to your final questions,
be careful not to confuse common mode gain (rejection) for
differential to single ended conversion. These two characteristics
are different.

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Reply #7 - Aug 14th, 2013, 8:27am
 
Sheldon,


this wasn't actually my question, but perhaps you care to elaborate?

Quote:
If you read the product description or the app note most of your
questions will be answered


I read the product description (and skimmed through the data sheet) and it says that it is suitable for single-to-differential conversion, but I wasn't able to identify which parameter describes the single-ended to differential performance. What have you seen that I didn't?

Quote:
be careful not to confuse common mode gain (rejection) for
differential to single ended conversion. These two characteristics
are different.


Common-mode gain normally means common-mode input to differential output conversion gain, but what I was referring to was common-mode input to common-mode output gain. The simple calculation I included should have made that obvious.

I realise I used the wrong terminology, but honestly, the way I was using it makes more sense, and the normal meaning should be called common-mode to differential gain or something like that. Whatever the case, the datasheet doesn't say anything about common-mode input to common-mode output gain.

Is this the confusion you were talking about?


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Reply #8 - Aug 15th, 2013, 8:02am
 
single ended input - swing is Vpp
single ended to differential output - swing is 2Vpp

I see putting one end of the input to Vcm will give single ended to differential operation. This is what your circuit also shows.

Did you simulate?

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