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What is wrong with this comparator verilog-A model
Aug 26^th, 2019, 4:25pm

I have built a Verilog-A comparator model as shown in the attached picture.

Basically it is just a linear gain stage to process the input voltage delta and then output either high or low with delay.

I am noticing the comparator can give wrong state at output, i.e., the output stuck at low/high when the input delta is obviously positive/negative, especially when one of the input signal is chattering around another. And after that, the output will stuck.

Another thing I have noticed is changing the magnitude of its linear gain sometimes help, but not always.

I am very frustrated about it currently and need comments or suggestions on what the issue could be and how to improve my code for behavior modeling of comparators.

Thanks!

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spunky New Member Offline Analog Designer Posts: 4 USA	Re: What is wrong with this comparator verilog-A model Reply #1 - Aug 26^th, 2019, 4:28pm Not sure how to attach the 2nd picture showing the simulated results. But here it is.
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Ken Kundert Global Moderator Offline Posts: 2386 Silicon Valley	Re: What is wrong with this comparator verilog-A model Reply #2 - Aug 26^th, 2019, 6:50pm Seems like a lot of complexity for a comparator model. I recommend that you start simple, get that working, and then only add what you really need. A good starting point would be the Verilog-A comparator on the Verilog-AMS page. -Ken
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Re: What is wrong with this comparator verilog-A model
Reply #3 - Aug 28^th, 2019, 7:09am

Rather than two cross statements, trying to catch it as it goes one way or the other, I'd use one cross statement for timestep control:
Code:

    @(cross((V(inp, inm) - vthres/comp_gain)))
	  ; // null statement

and then have a plain if statement to set out_val and del:
Code:

    if (V(inp, inm) > vthres/comp_gain) begin
	  out_val = 1;
	  del = comp_delay_r;
    end else begin
	  out_val = 0;
	  del = comp_delay_f;
    end

I'd have to read up on what the LRM says happens if you happen to hit the threshold exactly: is this a cross event? in which direction? And then I'd have to wonder if the simulator implemented it correctly.

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Hesham New Member Offline Posts: 6	Re: What is wrong with this comparator verilog-A model Reply #4 - Aug 30^th, 2019, 10:32am Hi Spunky Please check this https://designers-guide.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1562183339/3#3
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