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FFT of a pipelined ADC
Jan 16^th, 2005, 1:05am

Hello,

I am testing a 10bit 40MS/s pipelined ADC for undersampling application. It acqures >8bit for analog input < 30MHz. But ENOB (SINAD) decrease fast for analog input > 30MHz. There are many spurs near the fundamental frequency and harmonics on FFT plot for analog input of 35MHz and 45MHz.

The FFT plot is shown below.

sorry, it seems that upload picture is not permitted on this forum.

Please give me help and welcome any comments.

Thanks
Yawei

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JJ New Member Offline Posts: 3	Re: FFT of a pipelined ADC Reply #1 - Jan 16^th, 2005, 12:34pm I think it is normal, because your ADC speed is only 40MSPS.
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John Galt New Member Offline Who is John Galt? Posts: 3 Atlantis	Re: FFT of a pipelined ADC Reply #2 - Jan 17^th, 2005, 3:31am You need to respect the Nyquist Sampling Rate or else you are bound to get those spurs (and consequently a bad SNR) For a 40 MSPS ADC your signal band should be less than 20MHz to avoid aliasing.
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ywguo Community Fellow Offline Posts: 943 Shanghai, PRC	Re: FFT of a pipelined ADC Reply #3 - Jan 17^th, 2005, 7:45am Hi, John, Those spurs are not harmonics in FFT plot. That ADC are designed for undersampling application. So I put an SHA precede the pipeline chain. The SHA has much high input bandwidth. Thanks anyway. Yawei
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ywguo Community Fellow Offline Posts: 943 Shanghai, PRC	Re: FFT of a pipelined ADC Reply #4 - Jan 19^th, 2005, 7:51am Hi, I found that is due to poor purity of the analog input signal. I havn't any sinusoid signal generator used for RF. An AWG + some RF filters are the only equipment and accessories I have on hand. When I choose alternative input frequency and filters, the spurs and harmonics are supressed much lower. Thanks Yawei
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codec Junior Member Offline Posts: 14	Re: FFT of a pipelined ADC Reply #5 - Jan 23^rd, 2005, 3:02am Hi, Yawei Congratulations！Your circuit is full functional.
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codec Junior Member Offline Posts: 14	Re: FFT of a pipelined ADC Reply #6 - Jan 28^th, 2005, 8:40pm Hi, Yawei May I learn the composition of your testing system and types of instruments you are using? I am just going to do my test now.
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Re: FFT of a pipelined ADC
Reply #7 - Jan 30^th, 2005, 11:36pm

Hi, Codec,

My test system and instruments are listed below.

Sampling clock -- Agilent 33250A arbitrary waveform generator (poor sine signal, NOT suitable for analog input, but enough for sampling clock)

Analog input -- Tektronix AWG520 arbitrary waveform generator (better than Agilent 33250A). It has 10 bit D/A output, so filtering is required for measuring a 10 bit ADC.

Recording -- Tektronix TLA715 logic analyzer

Power supply -- HP6624 system DC power supply

You'd better use band pass filter for both sampling clock and analog input. I used Mini-Circuits SBP and SLP filter.

Please go to www.maxim-ic.com. There are many good application notes about high-speed ADC testing. Basically I test my ADC according the method proposed by Maxim. But I don't have so good apparatus as those proposed in Maxim's application notes.

I advise you study the evaluation kit of Maxim, like MAX1448 Eval. Kit.

Would you please tell me some details of your design? Then perhaps I could give you more suggestions.

Good luck!

Yawei

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Re: FFT of a pipelined ADC
Reply #8 - Jan 31^st, 2005, 7:29am

Thanks, Yawei.
I bought 33250A one year ago for arbitray wave generation. However, not only 33250A is poor for SIN wave, but I don't have digitizer either. Currently, we are testing the chip using mixed-signal LSI tester.
The circuit we have designed are IPs for custom use in the system. The performance is 10bit 20~60MHz.
I will exchange testing result with you after we have got some progress.

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